Soto Amicus – Commencement Look
I but took possession of a novel Soto Amicus, which is an upright canister stove, i.e. a stove that sits on top of a canister of gas. This is Soto's 3rd upright canister stove introduced to the USA market, together with I'm thinking that this may move their strongest entry yet. We'll see. I convey but started to evaluate the stove.
UPDATE xviii Dec 2017: My finalized Review of the Soto Amicus is directly available.
So, firstly impression: It's small. Nice.
I haven't measured it against my Soto Microregulator or my Soto Windmaster, but fifty-fifty without measuring, I'm pretty sure it's smaller than either, together with it's for certain smaller than the Windmaster which is considerably taller.
It comes alongside a petty materials sack together with of course of pedagogy a fix of instructions.
It's roughly every bit broad every bit my hand.
Now, the affair that Soto has caught a lot of flak for is their pot supports. Soto makes proficient stoves, possibly the best applied scientific discipline together with the best manufacturing character currently available (at to the lowest degree inward the USA marketplace alongside which I am familiar), but people convey non liked the ergonomics of Soto's pot supports.
On Soto's firstly canister stove inward the USA market, the Microregulator, the pot supports were a petty floppy. You'd rotate them into place, but if you lot moved the stove or bumped it alongside a pot, the pot supports would flop dorsum down. It wasn't a consummate pattern disaster, but it was form of a hassle, together with people complained.
On their minute entry, the Windmaster, they had ii interchangeable pot supports, a small-scale ane that came alongside the stove, together with a large ane for bigger pots that was purchased separately. When inward place, they were solid, but you lot took the supports off to pack upward the stove. The smaller of the ii supports was a tiresome grayish color, together with was easily lost. It never bothered me. I ever used an ultralight mini carabiner together with clipped the pot back upward to the valve guide keep the infinitesimal I took the supports off the stove. But patently a lot of people lost the petty clip on pot support, which basically rendered the stove unusable – in that location was cypher to concur upward the pot.
So, directly Soto's 3rd entry, the Amicus. I think they've got it correct this time. The pot supports rotate into house but there's a petty claw on the outer rim of the burner.
On the pot back upward in that location is a petty hole.
One rotates the boundary loaded pot back upward into place, together with afterwards the pot back upward passes the petty hook, the boundary pulls the back upward to the right, seating it on the support. It's genuinely a really smart slice of engineering. Once inward place, the pot supports exercise *not* come upward undone. And though they're fairly thin, they convey roughly sophisticated reinforcing designed into their shape. Just yanking them past times hand, they experience genuinely solid. These supports are agency to a greater extent than company that the pot supports on the MSR Pocket Rocket, together with the Pocket Rocket has done really good for legions of hikers over time.
I said it at the showtime of this post, but it bears repeating: No one, together with I hateful no one, is doing the form of sophisticated applied scientific discipline that Soto is doing, together with no ane is matching Soto's manufacturing precision. That's non to nation that other stoves aren't doing roughly pretty advanced things, but no ane matches Soto's amazing attending to exceptional inward both pattern together with manufacture. Soto is making the highest character stoves inward the USA market, hands down.
There are 4 serrated pot supports which when emplaced back upward a pot well.
Remarks
Soto's firstly entry, the Microregulator, did fairly well, but the MSRP was $60, placing it at the upper arrive at of upright canister stoves.
Soto's minute entry, the Windmaster, was lighter together with alongside it's ii pot support options, really flexible, but it's MSRP was $70. When ane tin larn a proficient company stove similar a Snow Peak GigaPower (a classic upright canister stove design) for $40 every bit good every bit other similar stoves for most the same price, is the Windmaster genuinely that much amend that ane would move willing to pay an additional $30 for it? Really? Your stove is worth 175% of a Snow Peak GigaPower or an MSR PocketRocket? I don't intend it sold good enough.
Soto's 3rd entry, the Amicus, has an MSRP of $40 for the version without the piezoelectric ignition together with $45 for the version alongside the "Stealth" ignition. That's correct inward the arrive at of the most mutual upright canister stoves.
By the way, the piezoelectric ignition of Soto's upright canister stoves is the best of whatever stove available inward the USA Market. It's light, it doesn't jut out together with select guide keep of on things (the wire runs upward through the burner column), together with it's freaking reliable.
Gone how ever is the regulator valve. Apparently to larn the cost downwardly the to a greater extent than complicated valve had to go. Now, is this a large loss? Not really. The regulator valve is a proficient thing, don't larn me wrong, but it was together with therefore overhyped. People idea that roughly how the regulator valve would permit ane to move the stove at far lower temperatures than other upright canister stoves. Um, no, non really. While nice, the relative pressure level inward the canister is a purpose of the percentages of the diverse cistron gases inward the fuel mix (propane, isobutane, together with "plain" butane), the elevation inward a higher house bounding main level, together with the temperature. A valve holds dorsum the pressure level together with tin solely suit for pressure level drops if together with solely if in that location is additional pressure level available inward the canister. I approximate what I'm proverb hither is that it's non a large sacrifice to surrender the regulator valve. Most people would non move able to tell the deviation betwixt a stove alongside a regulator valve vs. ane alongside a conventional needle valve. Incidentally, almost all of the pop upright canister stoves convey a conventional needle valve, together with they've done but fine for years. So, similar I say, no large sacrifice here.
Will it sell? We shall see. How proficient is it? Well, banking concern check dorsum inward a few weeks; I promise to convey my evaluation done past times mid-December.
HJ
UPDATE xviii Dec 2017: My finalized Review of the Soto Amicus is directly available.
So, firstly impression: It's small. Nice.
I stair out the stove at most 3.5 inches tall (roughly ix cm) from the base of operations to the tip of the pot supports.
On Soto's firstly canister stove inward the USA market, the Microregulator, the pot supports were a petty floppy. You'd rotate them into place, but if you lot moved the stove or bumped it alongside a pot, the pot supports would flop dorsum down. It wasn't a consummate pattern disaster, but it was form of a hassle, together with people complained.
On their minute entry, the Windmaster, they had ii interchangeable pot supports, a small-scale ane that came alongside the stove, together with a large ane for bigger pots that was purchased separately. When inward place, they were solid, but you lot took the supports off to pack upward the stove. The smaller of the ii supports was a tiresome grayish color, together with was easily lost. It never bothered me. I ever used an ultralight mini carabiner together with clipped the pot back upward to the valve guide keep the infinitesimal I took the supports off the stove. But patently a lot of people lost the petty clip on pot support, which basically rendered the stove unusable – in that location was cypher to concur upward the pot.
So, directly Soto's 3rd entry, the Amicus. I think they've got it correct this time. The pot supports rotate into house but there's a petty claw on the outer rim of the burner.
There are 4 serrated pot supports which when emplaced back upward a pot well.
Remarks
Soto's firstly entry, the Microregulator, did fairly well, but the MSRP was $60, placing it at the upper arrive at of upright canister stoves.
Soto's minute entry, the Windmaster, was lighter together with alongside it's ii pot support options, really flexible, but it's MSRP was $70. When ane tin larn a proficient company stove similar a Snow Peak GigaPower (a classic upright canister stove design) for $40 every bit good every bit other similar stoves for most the same price, is the Windmaster genuinely that much amend that ane would move willing to pay an additional $30 for it? Really? Your stove is worth 175% of a Snow Peak GigaPower or an MSR PocketRocket? I don't intend it sold good enough.
Soto's 3rd entry, the Amicus, has an MSRP of $40 for the version without the piezoelectric ignition together with $45 for the version alongside the "Stealth" ignition. That's correct inward the arrive at of the most mutual upright canister stoves.
By the way, the piezoelectric ignition of Soto's upright canister stoves is the best of whatever stove available inward the USA Market. It's light, it doesn't jut out together with select guide keep of on things (the wire runs upward through the burner column), together with it's freaking reliable.
Gone how ever is the regulator valve. Apparently to larn the cost downwardly the to a greater extent than complicated valve had to go. Now, is this a large loss? Not really. The regulator valve is a proficient thing, don't larn me wrong, but it was together with therefore overhyped. People idea that roughly how the regulator valve would permit ane to move the stove at far lower temperatures than other upright canister stoves. Um, no, non really. While nice, the relative pressure level inward the canister is a purpose of the percentages of the diverse cistron gases inward the fuel mix (propane, isobutane, together with "plain" butane), the elevation inward a higher house bounding main level, together with the temperature. A valve holds dorsum the pressure level together with tin solely suit for pressure level drops if together with solely if in that location is additional pressure level available inward the canister. I approximate what I'm proverb hither is that it's non a large sacrifice to surrender the regulator valve. Most people would non move able to tell the deviation betwixt a stove alongside a regulator valve vs. ane alongside a conventional needle valve. Incidentally, almost all of the pop upright canister stoves convey a conventional needle valve, together with they've done but fine for years. So, similar I say, no large sacrifice here.
Will it sell? We shall see. How proficient is it? Well, banking concern check dorsum inward a few weeks; I promise to convey my evaluation done past times mid-December.
HJ
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