Caldera Cone Vs. Clikstand Alcohol Stove Tests
I've been real interested inwards lightening my pack weight lately. As a business office of that interest, I've been investigating alcohol stoves. Since alcohol stoves (generally) aren't pressurized, alcohol stoves quest no heavy vessel to comprise the fuel. Neither create they quest pumps, seals, etc. In fact, pretty much whatsoever non-flammable loving cup shaped object that tin concur alcohol tin live on used every bit a stove.
Alcohol stoves are typically real vulnerable to wind. Since they're typically non pressurized, an alcohol stove's flaming doesn't receive got a lot of forcefulness behind it. If a chip of a breeze kicks up, your flaming tin larn scattered all over, your oestrus gets dissipated, in addition to your dinner fourth dimension looks similar it's going to live on some fourth dimension inwards the adjacent millennium. What to do? Use a windscreen of course. Windscreens are a practiced thought alongside almost whatsoever stove, but they're pretty much imperative alongside an alcohol stove. Not but whatsoever onetime windscreen volition do. What yous desire is a system, that is a windscreen that is truly integrated alongside your stove thus that the 2 operate optimally together.
In this post, I'd similar to clit briefly some testing I did of 2 alcohol stove systems: the Caldera Cone alongside the Trail Designs 12-10 stove in addition to the Clikstand alongside a measure Trangia alcohol burner.
I've been using the Caldera Cone for a while, in addition to I truly similar it. It's light, it packs well, in addition to it handles air current truly well.
The 1 drawback to the Caldera Cone is that the cone is exceptional to a specific pot. In other words, each cone fits alone 1 pot. You receive got to purchase the correct cone for your pot, in addition to in 1 lawsuit yous purchase the cone, yous tin alone utilization that 1 pot. Wouldn't it live on overnice to receive got a fiddling chip to a greater extent than flexible system? Indeed it would, but which one?
I've been hearing neat things near the Clikstand, that it was flexible, stable, in addition to worked good inwards wind. So, I managed to choice upward a used Clikstand, in addition to I thought I'd run a few tests. How good does the Clikstand work, in addition to how does it compare to the Caldera Cone?
Note: all tests are described every bit though alone 1 iteration were conducted. In fact, multiple tests were conducted.
First test: Efficiency test.
Test conditions: Fair weather, alongside intermittent low-cal winds.
To seek out efficiency, I measured out a fairly meager total of alcohol, 20cc. Having used the Caldera Cone a publish of times, I knew that 20cc of denatured alcohol would live on but plenty to boil 500ml of mutual frigidness tap water. Could the Clikstand equal this aeroplane of efficiency?
For the tests, I used an MSR Titan 0.85L kettle alongside the Caldera Cone in addition to a Primus Litech 0.9L kettle alongside the Clikstand.
For windscreens, I used the next the Caldera Cone aluminum windscreen from Trail Designs in addition to a BPL titanium windscreen. The ventilation holes inwards the BPL Ti windscreen were to a higher house the upper border of the Primus Litech kettle. I create non believe the ventilation holes played a meaning utilization inwards the tests because of their position.
It should live on noted that I did non utilization a Clikstand manufactured windscreen but rather substituted a windscreen of similar dimensions.
Here are the 2 side past times side inwards action.
Test results: With 20cc of denatured alcohol, the Clikstand organization went out earlier the 500ml of H2O boiled. The Caldera Cone organization came to a roiling boil, burned for a few to a greater extent than seconds, in addition to and thus went out.
Conclusion: The Caldera Cone is to a greater extent than efficient than the Clikstand system.
UPDATE 26 December 2011: As for why the Caldera Cone is such an efficient alcohol stove system, delight encounter The "Magic" of the Caldera Cone.
Second test: Speed Test
Test conditions: Fair weather, alongside intermittent low-cal winds.
In my minute test, I used the same equipment inwards the same fashion alongside the same quantities of water, but I increased the alcohol allocation to 25cc of denatured alcohol per stove.
This fourth dimension the Clikstand boiled upward nicely -- in addition to was much faster than the Caldera Cone.
Test results: With 25cc of denatured alcohol, the Clikstand organization boiled 500ml of H2O boiled to a greater extent than or less xl seconds faster than the Caldera Cone. The Clikstand went out later on bringing the H2O to boil. The Caldera Cone burned near a infinitesimal beyond the indicate it brought H2O to a boil, in addition to and thus went out.
Conclusion: The Clikstand organization is faster than the Caldera Cone system.
Some stats:
Clikstand alongside Trangia Burner
Clikstand S-2: 94g/3.3oz
Windscreen S-2: 37g/1.3oz (note: In my testing I used a BPL Ti windscreen, 25g/0.9oz)
Trangia Burner: 67g/2.4oz
Trangia Burner Lid: 21g/0.7 oz
Trangia Burner Simmer Ring: 23g/0.8oz
Total Trangia Burner Weight: 112g/4.0oz
Grand Total: The Clikstand alongside Trangia burner gear upward is 242g/8.5 oz total, including windscreen, burner lid, in addition to simmer ring.
Note: The to a higher house weights are taken from the Clikstand.com website. SNOWGOOSE inwards Scotland wrote in addition to gave me the actual weights for his Clikstand laid up. His weights are a gram or 2 heavier inwards several cases. His total weight was 247g/8.7oz. Disclaimer: I receive got no affiliation alongside Clikstand. The to a higher house link is provided every bit a courtesy only.
The Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove
Caldera Cone: 34g/1.2oz
12-10 stove: 16g/0.6oz
Grand Total: The Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove is 50g/1.75 oz
Note: The to a higher house weights are actual weights. The weight of a exceptional cone may vary depending on what type of pot it is designed for, the type of cone, in addition to the fabric from which the cone is made (Ti or Al). See the TrailDesigns.com for total details. Disclaimer: I receive got no affiliation alongside Trail Designs. The preceding link is provided every bit a courtesy only.
The Clikstand alongside Trangia burner is to a greater extent than or less 5 times heavier than the Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove.
General observations:
The Caldera Cone is lighter both inwards price of equipment weight every bit good every bit the weight of the total of fuel necessary to operate the stove but is less flexible. The Caldera Cone is suitable alone for boiling water, in addition to the Caldera Cone tin alone live on used alongside the specific pot for which it was designed -- unless yous tin respect a pot alongside the same rim size. The Caldera Cone supports the pot past times sliding upward nether the rim of the pot. Interestingly, a friend of mine had a pot marked alongside the REI build but manufactured past times Evernew that gibe my Caldera Cone perfectly, but don't count on a coincidence similar this. Buy the cone alongside the pot inwards mind; the cone volition to a greater extent than oft than non alone gibe 1 pot.
UPDATE, 25 November 2011: Several of yous receive got written to me proverb that the 1 can truly create alongside a Caldera Cone in addition to receive got described diverse modifications such every bit simmer rings that let such a thing. Although the Caldera Cone wasn't truly lay together alongside the thought of cooking inwards mind, the ingenuity of the private backpacker should never live on underestimated! Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
The Clikstand is heavier both inwards price of equipment weight every bit good every bit the weight of the total of fuel necessary to operate the stove but is to a greater extent than flexible. The Clikstand tin utilization a wider hit of pots in addition to pans, in addition to the Clikstand has a to a greater extent than controllable flaming when the Trangia burner's simmer band is used. Using the simmer band of the Trangia burner, I was able to larn the flaming to a real depression setting which allowed me to tiddler an egg inwards a tiddler pan. However, fifty-fifty though the Clikstand is to a greater extent than flexible inwards price of pot in addition to pan sizes which may live on used, at that topographic point are existent limits. First, smaller pots in addition to pans volition non operate good on the Clikstand. I tried a 780ml Snow Peak pot alongside the Clikstand, in addition to the pot was likewise pocket-sized to live on stable. Second, a pot must live on pocket-sized plenty to gibe inside the supported windscreen.
What create I hateful past times a "supported" windscreen? Take a await at this photo. Notice that the windscreen does non behaviour on the ground. It is supported past times the pot stand.
In lodge to utilization the supported windscreen, the pot must live on pocket-sized plenty for the windscreen to gibe into the notches that back upward it. My Primus Litech 0.9L kettle was a tight fit.
Concluding remarks.
I'll in all likelihood proceed to utilization the wonderfully packable, lightweight, in addition to efficient Caldera Cone organization for serious backpacking trips, but for trips that are shorter in addition to less weight sensitive, it's going to live on truly overnice to receive got the to a greater extent than flexible Clikstand to use. With the Clikstand I tin create existent food, in addition to I receive got a certainly grade of flexibility every bit to which pot, pan, or kettle I utilization -- inside a express hit of widths.
HJ
P.S. This weblog postal service is business office of my serial on the Caldera Cone. In illustration yous missed whatsoever of the series:
Appendix
Other stats for the Caldera Cone laid up
I didn't desire to include the next weights inwards my to a higher house stats because I wanted an "apples to apples" comparison. However, the next weight stats for the Caldera Cone may live on of interest:
Caldera Cone: 34g/1.2oz
12-10 stove: 16g/0.6oz
Total Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove: 50g/1.75 oz
Small fuel measure cup: 1g/0.04oz
Eyedropper: 1g/0.04oz (for reclaiming unburned fuel)
Four fluid ounce flip travel past times bottle alongside to a greater extent than or less 3.75 fluid ounces of fuel: 132g/4.7oz
MSR Titan kettle: 98g/3.5oz
Titan kettle lid: 37g/1.3oz
Total Titan kettle: 135g/4.8oz
Ziploc container (used every bit storage in addition to every bit bowl): 55g/1.9oz
Reflectix cozy: 22g/0.8oz
Stuff sack: 17g/0.6oz
Entire kit (example shown below): 413g/14.6oz
My entire kitchen weighs near a pound (I send a Bic type lighter in addition to a spoon separately). Nice!
Related posts in addition to articles:
Alcohol stoves are typically real vulnerable to wind. Since they're typically non pressurized, an alcohol stove's flaming doesn't receive got a lot of forcefulness behind it. If a chip of a breeze kicks up, your flaming tin larn scattered all over, your oestrus gets dissipated, in addition to your dinner fourth dimension looks similar it's going to live on some fourth dimension inwards the adjacent millennium. What to do? Use a windscreen of course. Windscreens are a practiced thought alongside almost whatsoever stove, but they're pretty much imperative alongside an alcohol stove. Not but whatsoever onetime windscreen volition do. What yous desire is a system, that is a windscreen that is truly integrated alongside your stove thus that the 2 operate optimally together.
In this post, I'd similar to clit briefly some testing I did of 2 alcohol stove systems: the Caldera Cone alongside the Trail Designs 12-10 stove in addition to the Clikstand alongside a measure Trangia alcohol burner.
| Trail Designs 12-10 stove (left) in addition to a Trangia burner mounted inwards a Clikstand (right) |
I've been using the Caldera Cone for a while, in addition to I truly similar it. It's light, it packs well, in addition to it handles air current truly well.
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| The Caldera Cone |
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| The Caldera Cone Packed. Includes pot, stove, windscreen/pot support, bowl, optic dropper, 4oz fuel bottle alongside fuel, cozy, in addition to pocket-sized fuel measure cup! |
I've been hearing neat things near the Clikstand, that it was flexible, stable, in addition to worked good inwards wind. So, I managed to choice upward a used Clikstand, in addition to I thought I'd run a few tests. How good does the Clikstand work, in addition to how does it compare to the Caldera Cone?
Note: all tests are described every bit though alone 1 iteration were conducted. In fact, multiple tests were conducted.
First test: Efficiency test.
Test conditions: Fair weather, alongside intermittent low-cal winds.
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| Trail Designs 12-10 stove (left) in addition to a Trangia burner mounted inwards a Clikstand (right). To the nurture are 2 medicine measure cups alongside 20cc each of SLX Kleen Strip Denatured alcohol. |
For the tests, I used an MSR Titan 0.85L kettle alongside the Caldera Cone in addition to a Primus Litech 0.9L kettle alongside the Clikstand.
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| MSR Titan 0.85L kettle (left) in addition to Primus LiTech 0.9L kettle (right) |
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| Trail Designs Caldera Cone windscreen |
Here are the 2 side past times side inwards action.
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| MSR Titan kettle inwards house on the Caldera Cone (left) in addition to the Primus LiTech kettle inwards house on the Clikstand (right) |
Conclusion: The Caldera Cone is to a greater extent than efficient than the Clikstand system.
UPDATE 26 December 2011: As for why the Caldera Cone is such an efficient alcohol stove system, delight encounter The "Magic" of the Caldera Cone.
Second test: Speed Test
Test conditions: Fair weather, alongside intermittent low-cal winds.
In my minute test, I used the same equipment inwards the same fashion alongside the same quantities of water, but I increased the alcohol allocation to 25cc of denatured alcohol per stove.
This fourth dimension the Clikstand boiled upward nicely -- in addition to was much faster than the Caldera Cone.
Test results: With 25cc of denatured alcohol, the Clikstand organization boiled 500ml of H2O boiled to a greater extent than or less xl seconds faster than the Caldera Cone. The Clikstand went out later on bringing the H2O to boil. The Caldera Cone burned near a infinitesimal beyond the indicate it brought H2O to a boil, in addition to and thus went out.
Conclusion: The Clikstand organization is faster than the Caldera Cone system.
Some stats:
Clikstand alongside Trangia Burner
Clikstand S-2: 94g/3.3oz
Windscreen S-2: 37g/1.3oz (note: In my testing I used a BPL Ti windscreen, 25g/0.9oz)
Trangia Burner: 67g/2.4oz
Trangia Burner Lid: 21g/0.7 oz
Trangia Burner Simmer Ring: 23g/0.8oz
Total Trangia Burner Weight: 112g/4.0oz
Grand Total: The Clikstand alongside Trangia burner gear upward is 242g/8.5 oz total, including windscreen, burner lid, in addition to simmer ring.
Note: The to a higher house weights are taken from the Clikstand.com website. SNOWGOOSE inwards Scotland wrote in addition to gave me the actual weights for his Clikstand laid up. His weights are a gram or 2 heavier inwards several cases. His total weight was 247g/8.7oz. Disclaimer: I receive got no affiliation alongside Clikstand. The to a higher house link is provided every bit a courtesy only.
The Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove
Caldera Cone: 34g/1.2oz
12-10 stove: 16g/0.6oz
Grand Total: The Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove is 50g/1.75 oz
Note: The to a higher house weights are actual weights. The weight of a exceptional cone may vary depending on what type of pot it is designed for, the type of cone, in addition to the fabric from which the cone is made (Ti or Al). See the TrailDesigns.com for total details. Disclaimer: I receive got no affiliation alongside Trail Designs. The preceding link is provided every bit a courtesy only.
The Clikstand alongside Trangia burner is to a greater extent than or less 5 times heavier than the Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove.
General observations:
The Caldera Cone is lighter both inwards price of equipment weight every bit good every bit the weight of the total of fuel necessary to operate the stove but is less flexible. The Caldera Cone is suitable alone for boiling water, in addition to the Caldera Cone tin alone live on used alongside the specific pot for which it was designed -- unless yous tin respect a pot alongside the same rim size. The Caldera Cone supports the pot past times sliding upward nether the rim of the pot. Interestingly, a friend of mine had a pot marked alongside the REI build but manufactured past times Evernew that gibe my Caldera Cone perfectly, but don't count on a coincidence similar this. Buy the cone alongside the pot inwards mind; the cone volition to a greater extent than oft than non alone gibe 1 pot.
UPDATE, 25 November 2011: Several of yous receive got written to me proverb that the 1 can truly create alongside a Caldera Cone in addition to receive got described diverse modifications such every bit simmer rings that let such a thing. Although the Caldera Cone wasn't truly lay together alongside the thought of cooking inwards mind, the ingenuity of the private backpacker should never live on underestimated! Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
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| REI branded Evernew Ti kettle (left) in addition to MSR Titan kettle (right) |
The Clikstand is heavier both inwards price of equipment weight every bit good every bit the weight of the total of fuel necessary to operate the stove but is to a greater extent than flexible. The Clikstand tin utilization a wider hit of pots in addition to pans, in addition to the Clikstand has a to a greater extent than controllable flaming when the Trangia burner's simmer band is used. Using the simmer band of the Trangia burner, I was able to larn the flaming to a real depression setting which allowed me to tiddler an egg inwards a tiddler pan. However, fifty-fifty though the Clikstand is to a greater extent than flexible inwards price of pot in addition to pan sizes which may live on used, at that topographic point are existent limits. First, smaller pots in addition to pans volition non operate good on the Clikstand. I tried a 780ml Snow Peak pot alongside the Clikstand, in addition to the pot was likewise pocket-sized to live on stable. Second, a pot must live on pocket-sized plenty to gibe inside the supported windscreen.
What create I hateful past times a "supported" windscreen? Take a await at this photo. Notice that the windscreen does non behaviour on the ground. It is supported past times the pot stand.
In lodge to utilization the supported windscreen, the pot must live on pocket-sized plenty for the windscreen to gibe into the notches that back upward it. My Primus Litech 0.9L kettle was a tight fit.
Concluding remarks.
I'll in all likelihood proceed to utilization the wonderfully packable, lightweight, in addition to efficient Caldera Cone organization for serious backpacking trips, but for trips that are shorter in addition to less weight sensitive, it's going to live on truly overnice to receive got the to a greater extent than flexible Clikstand to use. With the Clikstand I tin create existent food, in addition to I receive got a certainly grade of flexibility every bit to which pot, pan, or kettle I utilization -- inside a express hit of widths.
HJ
P.S. This weblog postal service is business office of my serial on the Caldera Cone. In illustration yous missed whatsoever of the series:
- Caldera Cone Review Supplement -- Additional Photos in addition to Technical Appendix alongside Weights
- Caldera Cone vs. Clikstand Alcohol Stove Tests
- The Caldera Cone's 12-10 Burner
- What "Color" is your Caldera?
- The "Magic" of the Caldera Cone (Why is the Caldera Cone thus efficient?)
Appendix
Other stats for the Caldera Cone laid up
I didn't desire to include the next weights inwards my to a higher house stats because I wanted an "apples to apples" comparison. However, the next weight stats for the Caldera Cone may live on of interest:
Caldera Cone: 34g/1.2oz
12-10 stove: 16g/0.6oz
Total Caldera Cone alongside 12-10 stove: 50g/1.75 oz
Small fuel measure cup: 1g/0.04oz
Eyedropper: 1g/0.04oz (for reclaiming unburned fuel)
Four fluid ounce flip travel past times bottle alongside to a greater extent than or less 3.75 fluid ounces of fuel: 132g/4.7oz
MSR Titan kettle: 98g/3.5oz
Titan kettle lid: 37g/1.3oz
Total Titan kettle: 135g/4.8oz
Ziploc container (used every bit storage in addition to every bit bowl): 55g/1.9oz
Reflectix cozy: 22g/0.8oz
Stuff sack: 17g/0.6oz
Entire kit (example shown below): 413g/14.6oz
My entire kitchen weighs near a pound (I send a Bic type lighter in addition to a spoon separately). Nice!
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| The Caldera Cone Packed. Includes pot, stove, windscreen/pot support, bowl, optic dropper, 4oz fuel bottle alongside fuel, cozy, in addition to pocket-sized fuel measure cup! |
Related posts in addition to articles:
- Getting Started alongside Alcohol
- DIY Alcohol Stoves -- Basic Design Considerations
- Cold Weather Tips for Alcohol Stoves
- Is Ethanol Worth It?
- Caldera Cone Review Supplement -- Additional Photos in addition to Technical Appendix alongside Weights
- The Clikstand Alcohol Stove System Review
- Caldera Cone vs. Clikstand Alcohol Stove Tests
- Trangia 27 Alcohol Stove System Review
- The Caldera Cone's 12-10 Burner
- The Trangia Alcohol Burner
- What's the Best Alcohol for Stove Fuel?
- What Is Meths? (And how is that unlike than Methanol?)
- Going "Green" alongside Stoves: Alcohol in addition to Biodiesel
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